Author Topic: Yate cant pickup Microphone  (Read 2471 times)

foobarbaz

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Yate cant pickup Microphone
« on: August 20, 2013, 02:27:01 AM »
Hello Folks,

I am trying to migrate our Voio client to Yate from the current default Twinkle on our production environment.I seem to have hit a road block with respect to microphone not working in Yate.
The problem is,when i make a call from yate,i can hear the remote person ,but the remote person cannot hear me.All he does hear is some  cracking noise.I assume somethings not quite right with the microphone in yate or may be a codec/format ? I see that,the current format in use is MULAW,should this be changed ? This is what i have now


Yate-client = 4.2.0.2
PBX Server = Asterisk
PulseAudio = 0.9.12


Ran yate qt4 client with verbose:

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# /usr/local/bin/yate-qt4 -vvv
Yate (5245) is starting Tue Aug 20 13:13:33 2013
Loaded module YIAX
Loaded module CdrBuild
Loaded module File Transfer
Loaded module OpenSSL - based on OpenSSL 0.9.8h 28 May 2008
Loaded module YSOCKS
Loaded module Speex - based on libspeex-1.1.16
Loaded module MUX
Loaded module ToneGen
Loaded module PBX
Loaded module Conference
Loaded module Call Forker
Loaded module CdrFile
Loaded module Call Generator
Loaded module MsgSniffer
Loaded module iSAC floating point - based on WebRTC iSAC library version 4.3.0 (SPL version 1.2.0)
Loaded module RegexRoute
Loaded module WaveFile
Loaded module MOH
Loaded module SIP Channel
Loaded module Analyzer
Loaded module RManager
Loaded module Javascript
Loaded module iLBC - based on iLBC reference library
Loaded module ExtModule
Loaded module ZLib - using zlib library version 1.2.3
Loaded module YRTP
Loaded module iLBC - based on WebRTC iLBC library version 1.1.1
Loaded module GSM - based on libgsm-1.0.10
Loaded module YSTUN
Loaded module DumbChannel
Loaded module YJingle
Loaded module ToneDetector
Loaded module GVoice
Loaded module Updater
<NOTE> Failed to open config file '/usr/local/etc/yate/client_actions.conf', using defaults (2: No such file or directory)
Loaded module OssChan
Loaded module AlsaChan
Loaded module Jabber Client
Initializing plugins
Initializing module Jabber Client
<jbclientengine:NOTE> Failed to load entity caps from '/home/user1/.yate/jabberentitycaps.xml': I/O error 2 'No such file or directory'
Initializing module Updater
<NOTE> Failed to open config file '/usr/local/etc/yate/client_actions.conf', using defaults (2: No such file or directory)
Initializing module ZLib
Initializing module Javascript
Initializing module CdrFile
Initializing module MUX
Initializing module YSOCKS
Initializing module OpenSSL
Initializing module Qt4 client
Initializing module YIAX
Initializing module CdrBuild
Initializing module File Transfer
Initializing module ToneGen
Initializing module PBX
Initializing module Conference
Initializing module Call Forker
Initializing module Call Generator
Initializing module MsgSniffer
Initializing module iSAC
Initializing module RegexRoute
Initializing module WaveFile
Initializing module MOH
Initializing module SIP Channel
Initializing module Analyzer
Initializing module RManager
Initializing module ExtModule
Initializing module YRTP
Initializing module iLBC webrtc
Initializing module YSTUN
Initializing module DumbChannel
DumbChannel initialized
Initializing module YJingle
Initializing module ToneDetector
Initializing module GVoice
Initializing module OssChan
Initializing module AlsaChan
Initialization complete
Yate client engine is initialized and starting up on guest-host
<client:WARN> QT sounds are not available
<NOTE> Failed to open config file '/usr/local/etc/yate/client_actions.conf', using defaults (2: No such file or directory)
<NOTE> Failed to open config file '/home/user1/.yate/client_contacts.conf', using defaults (2: No such file or directory)
<sip:CALL> SIP line 'sip:sip-user1@pbxhost' logon success to 192.168.28.227:5060
<NOTE> Failed to open config file '/home/user1/.yate/archive/index.conf', using defaults (2: No such file or directory)
<client/1:CALL> Created outgoing to=9959521119 [0x2b82a08c5b30]
<client/1:CALL> callAccept() [0x2b82a08c5b30]
<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x7811c0]
<client/1:CALL> msgProgress() [0x2b82a08c5b30]
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::AlsaDevice('default',8000) [0x78f480]
<NOTE> Opening ALSA input device default
<NOTE> Opening ALSA output device default
<NOTE> Alsa(default/default) 8000/8000 80/80 1280/1280
<NOTE> AlsaSource::AlsaSource(0x78f480) [0x7ae3a0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::AlsaConsumer(0x78f480) [0x7af770]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA short write, writei wrote 120 frames
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/1:CALL> msgRinging() [0x2b82a08c5b30]
<client/1:CALL> msgAnswered() [0x2b82a08c5b30]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 15 delayed packets from buffer [0x78b2a0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 13 delayed packets from buffer [0x78b2a0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 29 delayed packets from buffer [0x78b2a0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 22 delayed packets from buffer [0x78b2a0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<NOTE> Dropped 1 delayed packet from buffer [0x78b2a0]
<client/1:CALL> Disconnected reason=(null) [0x2b82a08c5b30]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::~AlsaConsumer() [0x7af770] total=809600
<client/1:CALL> Destroyed [0x2b82a08c5b30]
<WARN> AlsaSource [0x7ae3a0] end of data
<NOTE> AlsaSource [0x7ae3a0] cleanup, total=429120
<NOTE> AlsaSource::~AlsaSource() [0x7ae3a0] total=429120
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::~AlsaDevice [0x78f480]
<client/2:CALL> Created outgoing to=6361 [0x2b82a08ec250]
<client/2:CALL> callAccept() [0x2b82a08ec250]
<client/2:CALL> msgRinging() [0x2b82a08ec250]
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::AlsaDevice('default',8000) [0x7a85b0]
<NOTE> Opening ALSA input device default
<NOTE> Opening ALSA output device default
<NOTE> Alsa(default/default) 8000/8000 80/80 1280/1280
<NOTE> AlsaSource::AlsaSource(0x7a85b0) [0x7c2000]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::AlsaConsumer(0x7a85b0) [0x7c20d0]
[b]<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x7ac3f0]
<client/2:CALL> msgAnswered() [0x2b82a08ec250]
<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x7c5ef0][/b]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<NOTE> Dropped 1 delayed packet from buffer [0x7ac530]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/2:CALL> msgDrop() reason=(null) [0x2b82a08ec250]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::~AlsaConsumer() [0x7c20d0] total=198080
<client/2:CALL> Destroyed [0x2b82a08ec250]
<WARN> AlsaSource [0x7c2000] end of data
<NOTE> AlsaSource [0x7c2000] cleanup, total=127520
<NOTE> AlsaSource::~AlsaSource() [0x7c2000] total=127520
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::~AlsaDevice [0x7a85b0]
<client/3:CALL> Created outgoing to=9859599598 [0x2b82a0900a30]
<client/3:CALL> callAccept() [0x2b82a0900a30]
[b]<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x2b82a08e8b50][/b]
<client/3:CALL> msgProgress() [0x2b82a0900a30]
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::AlsaDevice('default',8000) [0x2b82a0927830]
<NOTE> Opening ALSA input device default
<NOTE> Opening ALSA output device default
<NOTE> Alsa(default/default) 8000/8000 80/80 1280/1280
<NOTE> AlsaSource::AlsaSource(0x2b82a0927830) [0x7a9bc0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::AlsaConsumer(0x2b82a0927830) [0x7ace20]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 13 delayed packets from buffer [0x7c6130]
<MILD> Dropped 17 delayed packets from buffer [0x7c6130]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/3:CALL> msgDrop() reason=cancelled [0x2b82a0900a30]
<client/3:CALL> Destroyed [0x2b82a0900a30]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::~AlsaConsumer() [0x7ace20] total=218240
<WARN> AlsaSource [0x7a9bc0] end of data
<NOTE> AlsaSource [0x7a9bc0] cleanup, total=111680
<NOTE> AlsaSource::~AlsaSource() [0x7a9bc0] total=111680
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::~AlsaDevice [0x2b82a0927830]
<client/4:CALL> Created outgoing to=9959521119 [0x2b82a0900a30]
<client/4:CALL> callAccept() [0x2b82a0900a30]
<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x7811c0]
<client/4:CALL> msgProgress() [0x2b82a0900a30]
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::AlsaDevice('default',8000) [0x7a6a80]
<NOTE> Opening ALSA input device default
<NOTE> Opening ALSA output device default
<NOTE> Alsa(default/default) 8000/8000 80/80 1280/1280
<NOTE> AlsaSource::AlsaSource(0x7a6a80) [0x7aad60]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::AlsaConsumer(0x7a6a80) [0x7c0580]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/4:CALL> msgDrop() reason=cancelled [0x2b82a0900a30]
<client/4:CALL> Destroyed [0x2b82a0900a30]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::~AlsaConsumer() [0x7c0580] total=23040
<WARN> AlsaSource [0x7aad60] end of data
<NOTE> AlsaSource [0x7aad60] cleanup, total=160
<NOTE> AlsaSource::~AlsaSource() [0x7aad60] total=160
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::~AlsaDevice [0x7a6a80]
<client/5:CALL> Created outgoing to=9885688942 [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/5:CALL> callAccept() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x7811c0]
<client/5:CALL> msgProgress() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::AlsaDevice('default',8000) [0x7c4c50]
<NOTE> Opening ALSA input device default
<MILD> Creating new message dispatching thread (1 running)
<NOTE> Opening ALSA output device default
<NOTE> Alsa(default/default) 8000/8000 80/80 1280/1280
<NOTE> AlsaSource::AlsaSource(0x7c4c50) [0x7cd220]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::AlsaConsumer(0x7c4c50) [0x7ce7d0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/5:CALL> msgRinging() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/5:CALL> msgAnswered() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<NOTE> Dropped 1 delayed packet from buffer [0x7c4890]
<MILD> Dropped 3 delayed packets from buffer [0x7c4890]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 8 delayed packets from buffer [0x7c4890]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 9 delayed packets from buffer [0x7c4890]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 15 delayed packets from buffer [0x7c4890]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 9 delayed packets from buffer [0x7c4890]
<NOTE> Dropped 1 delayed packet from buffer [0x7c4890]
<client/5:CALL> Disconnected reason=(null) [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::~AlsaConsumer() [0x7ce7d0] total=382080
<client/5:CALL> Destroyed [0x2b82a08eced0]
<WARN> AlsaSource [0x7cd220] end of data
<NOTE> AlsaSource [0x7cd220] cleanup, total=207200
<NOTE> AlsaSource::~AlsaSource() [0x7cd220] total=207200
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::~AlsaDevice [0x7c4c50]
<client/6:CALL> Created outgoing to=9885688942 [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/6:CALL> callAccept() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x7811c0]
<client/6:CALL> msgProgress() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::AlsaDevice('default',8000) [0x2b82a094a120]
<NOTE> Opening ALSA input device default
<NOTE> Opening ALSA output device default
<NOTE> Alsa(default/default) 8000/8000 80/80 1280/1280
<NOTE> AlsaSource::AlsaSource(0x2b82a094a120) [0x2b82a0948970]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::AlsaConsumer(0x2b82a094a120) [0x2b82a08e8840]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/6:CALL> msgRinging() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 24 delayed packets from buffer [0x7beb20]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/6:CALL> Disconnected reason=busy [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/6:CALL> Destroyed [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::~AlsaConsumer() [0x2b82a08e8840] total=95040
<WARN> AlsaSource [0x2b82a0948970] end of data
<NOTE> AlsaSource [0x2b82a0948970] cleanup, total=47840
<NOTE> AlsaSource::~AlsaSource() [0x2b82a0948970] total=47840
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::~AlsaDevice [0x2b82a094a120]
<client/7:CALL> Created outgoing to=9885688942 [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/7:CALL> callAccept() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x2b82a08fb110]
<client/7:CALL> msgProgress() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::AlsaDevice('default',8000) [0x2b82a0926260]
<NOTE> Opening ALSA input device default
<NOTE> Opening ALSA output device default
<NOTE> Alsa(default/default) 8000/8000 80/80 1280/1280
<NOTE> AlsaSource::AlsaSource(0x2b82a0926260) [0x2b82a0931890]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::AlsaConsumer(0x2b82a0926260) [0x2b82a0945ad0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/7:CALL> msgRinging() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 10 delayed packets from buffer [0x7a5170]
<MILD> Dropped 13 delayed packets from buffer [0x7a5170]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/7:CALL> Disconnected reason=busy [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/7:CALL> Destroyed [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::~AlsaConsumer() [0x2b82a0945ad0] total=99200
<WARN> AlsaSource [0x2b82a0931890] end of data
<NOTE> AlsaSource [0x2b82a0931890] cleanup, total=47840
<NOTE> AlsaSource::~AlsaSource() [0x2b82a0931890] total=47840
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::~AlsaDevice [0x2b82a0926260]
<client/8:CALL> Created outgoing to=9885688942 [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/8:CALL> callAccept() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x789e90]
<client/8:CALL> msgProgress() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::AlsaDevice('default',8000) [0x7cdbb0]
<NOTE> Opening ALSA input device default
<NOTE> Opening ALSA output device default
<NOTE> Alsa(default/default) 8000/8000 80/80 1280/1280
<NOTE> AlsaSource::AlsaSource(0x7cdbb0) [0x7ccac0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::AlsaConsumer(0x7cdbb0) [0x7cf920]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA short write, writei wrote 88 frames
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 3 delayed packets from buffer [0x7cd770]
<client/8:CALL> Disconnected reason=noconn [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/8:CALL> Destroyed [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::~AlsaConsumer() [0x7cf920] total=235200
<WARN> AlsaSource [0x7ccac0] end of data
<NOTE> AlsaSource [0x7ccac0] cleanup, total=111680
<NOTE> AlsaSource::~AlsaSource() [0x7ccac0] total=111680
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::~AlsaDevice [0x7cdbb0]
<client/9:CALL> Created outgoing to=9885688942 [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/9:CALL> callAccept() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x7c5ef0]
<client/9:CALL> msgProgress() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::AlsaDevice('default',8000) [0x7bfde0]
<NOTE> Opening ALSA input device default
<NOTE> Opening ALSA output device default
<NOTE> Alsa(default/default) 8000/8000 80/80 1280/1280
<NOTE> AlsaSource::AlsaSource(0x7bfde0) [0x7c39b0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::AlsaConsumer(0x7bfde0) [0x7cbd30]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/9:CALL> msgRinging() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/9:CALL> Disconnected reason=busy [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/9:CALL> Destroyed [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::~AlsaConsumer() [0x7cbd30] total=116480
<WARN> AlsaSource [0x7c39b0] end of data
<NOTE> AlsaSource [0x7c39b0] cleanup, total=47840
<NOTE> AlsaSource::~AlsaSource() [0x7c39b0] total=47840
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::~AlsaDevice [0x7bfde0]
<client/10:CALL> Created outgoing to=9885688942 [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/10:CALL> callAccept() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x7c0520]
<client/10:CALL> msgProgress() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::AlsaDevice('default',8000) [0x7c08b0]
<NOTE> Opening ALSA input device default
<NOTE> Opening ALSA output device default
<NOTE> Alsa(default/default) 8000/8000 80/80 1280/1280
<NOTE> AlsaSource::AlsaSource(0x7c08b0) [0x7d0ce0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::AlsaConsumer(0x7c08b0) [0x2b82a09595a0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<client/10:CALL> msgRinging() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<WARN> ALSA write underrun occurred
<MILD> Dropped 4 delayed packets from buffer [0x7ad590]
<MILD> Dropped 10 delayed packets from buffer [0x7ad590]
<client/10:CALL> msgAnswered() [0x2b82a08eced0]
<client/10:CALL> Disconnected reason=(null) [0x2b82a08eced0]
<NOTE> AlsaConsumer::~AlsaConsumer() [0x2b82a09595a0] total=360000
<client/10:CALL> Destroyed [0x2b82a08eced0]
<WARN> AlsaSource [0x7d0ce0] end of data
<NOTE> AlsaSource [0x7d0ce0] cleanup, total=175360
<NOTE> AlsaSource::~AlsaSource() [0x7d0ce0] total=175360
<NOTE> AlsaDevice::~AlsaDevice [0x7c08b0]
<sip:CALL> SIP line 'sip:sip-user1@pbxhost' logon success to 192.168.28.227:5060
^C^C^CYate engine is shutting down with code 0
<NOTE> Soft cancelling 6 running threads
Unloading module GVoice
Unloading module ToneDetector
<GOON> Unloading 'yjinglechan' removed 0 out of 1 plugins
Unloading module DumbChannel
Unloading module YSTUN
Unloading module GSM with 0 codecs still in use
Unloading module iLBC webrtc with 0 codecs still in use
Unloading module YRTP
Unloading module ExtModule
Unloading module iLBC with 0 codecs still in use
Unloading module RManager
Unloading module Analyzer
<GOON> Unloading 'ysipchan' removed 0 out of 1 plugins
Unloading module MOH
Unloading module iSAC with 0 codecs still in use
Unloading module Call Generator, clearing 0 calls
Unloading module Call Forker
Unloading module Conference
Unloading module PBX
Unloading module ToneGen
Unloading module Speex with 0 codecs still in use
Unloading module CdrBuild
Unloading module YIAX
Unloading module File Transfer
Unloading module OpenSSL
<GOON> Unloading 'ysockschan' removed 0 out of 1 plugins
Unloading module MUX
Unloading module CdrFile
Unloading module Javascript
Unloading module ZLib
Unloading module Updater
Unloading module Jabber Client
Unloading module YJingle
Unloading module SIP Channel
Unloading module YSOCKS
<GOON> Unloading 'jabberclient' removed 4 out of 1 plugins
<GOON> Exiting with 0 locked mutexes and 1 plugins loaded!




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<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x7ac3f0]
<client/2:CALL> msgAnswered() [0x2b82a08ec250]
<NOTE> Choosing started 'audio' format 'mulaw' [0x7c5ef0]


Any help will be greatly appreciated :)

Lawquest

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Re: Yate cant pickup Microphone
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 12:01:02 AM »
Its pretty clear that the yate folks have better things to do than monitor this page.  My suggestion for you is to try another microphone.  My Logitech headset works fine on yate, with a bit of an echo problem on occasion, but my plantronics headset doesn't work.  I no not why.